In this interview we discuss the basics of travel insurance, how it covers Coronavirus, tips for planning travel in light of the virus, and some general ideas for worry-free travel.
Coronavirus has virtually shut down travel (both international and domestic) but travelers still have plenty of questions. Does travel insurance cover COVID-19 cancellations, does it cover medical emergencies related to it, can I still buy insurance.
Travelers also want to get back to trip planning once the Coronavirus quarantines have eased, and they want to know how they can protect their trip investment.
Jeremy and I discuss these questions in this short interview.
Selected Links From This Episode
- Jeremy Murchland LinkedIn
- Seven Corners Insurance
- Travel Insurance Overview
- Cancel For Any Reason travel insurance
- Travel document tips
- Travel.state.gov STEP Program
Show Notes & Timestamps
- Who is Seven Corners and what do they do? 00:00:07
- Key features of travel insurance and what it covers 00:00:59
- Which type of plan is most popular? 00:02:30
- Why your cruise line insurance plan is not as good as 3rd party 00:03:32
- How travel insurance can cover Coronavirus 00:05:42
- How unforeseen events work with travel insurance 00:07:28
- Jeremy’s tips for planning travel now 00:11:20
- Possible changes to CFAR and insurance in general 00:13:41
- What are the main Coronavirus concerns for insureds now? 00:14:48
- Advice for travelers concerned about Coronavirus 00:19:12
- Debunking travel insurance myths 00:19:55
- Avoiding common travel insurance mistakes 00:23:17
- Top travel insurance tips 00:24:26
- Tips to remove travel worries (besides travel insurance) 00:26:02
Damian Tysdal: Today, I’m speaking with Jeremy Murchland, who is the president of Seven CornersI Insurance. Jeremy, thanks for joining us.
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah. Thanks Damian for having me on.
Damian Tysdal: Can you tell us a little bit about Seven Corners and what the company does?
Jeremy Murchland: Sure. Sure, no problem. So Seven Corners, we’re a privately held, international travel insurance and specialty benefit management company. We’ve been in business since roughly 1993, so I guess that puts us at about 26 years old. We service all different types of customers, international travelers like you and I, agencies of the U S government, foreign governments, corporations, and different types of insurance companies to help remove risks from their travel, and people that they may have traveling overseas.
Damian Tysdal: So everything from vacation travelers to long term visitors and things like that?
Jeremy Murchland: Any, and all of the above, yeah. People that might be just going on a short weekend trip to the Caribbean, or others that may be spending a longer period of time, a year or more at a time, outside of their home.
Damian Tysdal: Okay. Digging into that a little bit more, I think a lot of people probably aren’t very familiar with travel insurance in general, can you give just a brief overview of travel insurance and what it covers?
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Travel insurance provides emergency benefits and travel assistance for people that travel outside of their home country, within their home country, what have you. There’s really two kinds of general types of travel insurance. At least we classify them in two different ways.
The first is trip protection. Trip protection is going to give you really three main types of coverage. First, there’s the protection for your unused and non-refundable trip costs if you need to cancel, interrupt, or have a delay to your trip for a certain reason within the policy. Trip insurance can also protect your medical expenses if you get hurt or sick on your trip. And finally, trip insurance also covers your belongings if they’re lost, stolen or damaged while you’re traveling. So really those three things.
The other type of travel insurance we classify as travel medical, and it’s, it’s just that…it’s a plan that provides mostly medical benefits and emergency services that are important to people if they become sick or hurt while they’re on a trip outside of their home country.
So, that one’s really focused on a variety of wide benefits around the medical side of things, whereas the other is more, it includes, it has the medical, but it also has some of the other protections for your trip costs.
Damian Tysdal: Right, and which one is more popular?
Jeremy Murchland: Well, you know, it really depends on the type of traveler, I would say, and it depends on the type of year and what type of trip people are protecting.
Interesting enough, in our business right now, it’s almost split half and half. So about half of the people are buying trip protection. About the other half are buying travel medical only.
I think if you’re…if you’re spending a significant amount of money on a vacation, and you’re, not only are you concerned about potentially protecting yourself if you get sick while you’re on the vacation, but you’re spending a lot of money on the trip itself, people are more likely to go for the trip protection.
If somebody is traveling overseas, perhaps for a long period of time…it’s just a flight but they’re staying with family or friends, they don’t maybe have as much in trip cost and people are more likely just to get the travel medical side of things.
What it boils down to, I think is your investment and your risk tolerance for that investment…is really going to impact which of those you choose.
Damian Tysdal: Right. I think a lot of people know about travel insurance through things like cruises or a package tour. In that case, are they typically thinking of trip insurance when it’s mentioned to them?
Jeremy Murchland: They are, generally they’re thinking of trip insurance. You know, the interesting thing that people really have to watch out for when they’re buying, call it trip insurance, in what I would call the purchase path when they’re booking their cruise or they’re booking their vacation or they’re booking their flight.
Sometimes that trip insurance is very limited, it may be just covering trip cancellation or interruption, it may not have the travel medical benefits that independent travel insurance companies have.
So it’s always important that consumers, you always hear “consumer beware”, right? And that applies no matter what you’re buying, who you’re buying it from, but alway make sure you’re looking at your travel plans, what you’re buying, you fully understand the benefits of what you are and aren’t getting.
Damian Tysdal: So those types of plans might not be as robust? Is it made especially for the cruise line in that case?
Jeremy Murchland: Yes, that is correct. It may not be as robust. And secondly, oftentimes because yes, it’s, it may be, it’s very specific to what someone’s buying or booking at the time. So, there could be limited medical benefits or more limits on the coverage or the actual benefits being provided.
It’s just always important to make sure that what you think you’re getting, you’re actually getting.
Damian Tysdal: If you hear the term travel insurance, don’t assume that they’re all the same, that everything includes everything…
Jeremy Murchland: it’s a very, it’s a very broadly used term that covers a lot of different things. And, depending on who’s selling it, who’s distributing it, the words travel insurance can mean different things
Damian Tysdal: it’s an area where there’s a lot of insurance talk.
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah, for sure. For sure. A lot of insurance talk, and I always say to people that, you know, insurance is complicated, it’s a complicated thing no matter what type of insurance, whether it’s auto or home or what have you. . And because it’s complicated, this is one of those things where you really should “quote unquote” read the fine print. I don’t know that it’s fine, but just read the small print, read your policy documents, make sure you understand exactly what you’re buying. Damian Tysdal: So with the timely events now with Coronavirus, I’d love to just talk a little bit about how coverage could apply to Coronavirus and the entire situation right now.
It seems like there’s a few areas where a traveler’s insurance policy could come into effect so if you can just lay out a few common examples, kind of some typical scenarios, and you can speak to how a product like travel insurance could support them, that’d be great.
Jeremy Murchland: No problem.
Damian Tysdal: Let’s say I’m on a trip abroad, I have insurance, and I were to get sick with coronavirus…actually be diagnosed.
Jeremy Murchland: So, yeah that, so it can be covered. I mean, and this is going to, I’ll probably start all of my answers with this, but it can be covered. However, again, travelers really need to read their plan document to make sure they know for sure, and the reason why is because none of the plans are created the same.
They all have slightly different languages for covered reasons, and because of that, some plans may actually exclude coverage if the traveler purchased the plan or traveled after certain types of warnings were issued. And those warnings could be the World Health Organization emergency travel advisory, or a CDC warning or a designated level such as a level three or level four.
For travel warnings , or even other governmental agency related warnings…some plans exclude coverage for those things…and they, some plans may also exclude coverage for epidemics or foreseeable events.
So coverage definitely varies by insurance company, and by plan type. So it’s going to be important that, again, you read your policy, you understand what’s covered, not covered.
So in some cases, yes, but in some cases, no. Unfortunately
Damian Tysdal: Right. So you mentioned a few dates, whether it’s a CDC warning or travel warnings, the idea there is that it’s becoming no longer an unforeseen event. Is that the concept there?
Jeremy Murchland: That’s exactly right. A lot of insurance companies are going to say, hey, once it’s, once it’s a foreseen event, after a certain date, and by the way, some insurance companies, they, they, those dates differ by a day or two or three or whatever number, uh, once it becomes a foreseen event…if you kind of travel to one of these areas that have been restricted or that you’re warned against, it could be an exclusion and cause you not to receive the benefits in your policy depending again on the policy and the carrier.
Damian Tysdal: So that’s, just as a kind of a side comparison with hurricanes, I know that it’s similar where when a hurricane is named that becomes that set date where, uh, before it’s considered unforeseen and after it’s considered for a scene. Is that generally correct?
Jeremy Murchland: That’s a good example, because you know, if you, if you’re booking a travel insurance plan right now for a cruise in the fall, we don’t know what hurricanes are going to happen in the fall, but once, once a hurricane is named in the fall, if you go then buy travel insurance, most of those benefits aren’t going to apply if you need to, if you want to cancel your trip because of the hurricane or what have you.
So yeah, it’s very, very similar in that regard.
Damian Tysdal: so again, back to the example, I’m in Europe, let’s say. Staying healthy, but, whether it’s now or even a few weeks ago, I was just getting nervous and I would want to come home, cancel the trip, hop on a plane, come back home, and I’m losing the rest of my trip and hotel expenses and things like that. Would there be any sort of coverage for that?
Jeremy Murchland: Well, that generally falls under what we’re going to call trip interruption, and you’d need to really, again look at the, you look at your policy, understand what the covered reasons are going to allow you to do and not do. So a lot of times kind of interrupting your trip or canceling your trip out of a fear reason is not going to be a covered reason. Now, if for example, I don’t know, trip interruption occurs because you have to be quarantined and you can’t go on the rest of your trip and whatever country you’re in, you’re quarantined or you’re quarantined at home and you can’t go, then , that’s a common covered reason which would apply to your trip because you’ve had to interrupt it.
Other things are, would be included if, if there’s sickness or if there’s a death in the family. Or you’re called up to military duty, something like that. But those covered reasons are gonna kind of vary by plan, again, fear is not generally going to be a covered reason.
Damian Tysdal: Right, and you mentioned covered reasons, that’s a section of the policy. It actually spells out what is covered.
Jeremy Murchland: It usually does, and it’s usually very upfront in the policy, so you don’t have to read too far
Damian Tysdal: and I think the final scenario I was going to mention is you purchase insurance for a trip coming up. And now with all this coming along, let’s say it’s in June, and you just want to call it off. Does it fall into the same category where it needs to be listed for you to call that trip off and have any coverage for cancellation?
Jeremy Murchland: Yes and no. Um, there is an exception to that, I’ll explain. So again, the trip protection and the standard trip cancellation benefit isn’t gonna apply if it’s, if it’s canceled because of fear, but the only way to cover trip cancellation, if you want to cancel because of fear or frankly, any other reason that might not be a covered reason, is if you add on the Cancel For Any Reason benefit to your policy. So we call it CFAR, Cancel For Any Reason. If you buy that at the time you book your trip, usually you have to, you have to add, Cancel For Any Reason within 15 to 20 days of, of your initial trip deposit, it is going to increase the cost of the plan.
But as long as you do that and insure 100% of your non-refundable expenses, you can effectively call off a trip anytime you want. Now, you’re only going to get back usually 75-ish percent of your trip costs, but if you get that Cancel For Any Reason, it does kind of broaden the options you have down the road. If you’re just not comfortable going,
Damian Tysdal: so, and that’s something that, let’s say you’re, you don’t have insurance, you don’t even have a trip planned, but a lot of people right now are trying to figure out when they could plan something. They might be being optimistic and picking a date in the summertime, would that be the only option?
Jeremy Murchland: Okay. Well, I’ll tell you if I was booking a trip right now for summer, I think especially early summer, given the situation we’re in, I’d most certainly be buying travel insurance with Cancel For Any Reason. Because again, you get to June and, let’s just play it out for a minute, if the travel restrictions are lifted, but perhaps where you’re going or they’re still enough of a proliferation of the virus and the disease out there, and you’re just not comfortable going and putting your family at risk…but yeah, the cruise line hasn’t canceled the trip, or the airlines aren’t offering refunds. Again, you’re in this situation where you’re wanting to cancel out a fear. , and because fear is not a covered reason, it’s most definitely recommended that you have Cancel For Any Reason to at least protect a big chunk of your trip costs.
Damian Tysdal: And I do believe a few companies have stopped selling CFAR, is that right?
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah, some have, I mean, ‘ve seen some travel insurance companies stop selling travel insurance completely, especially overseas. Um, so yeah, we are seeing it on an international basis right now, I think until, until the dust settles. We have not, we’re still selling CFAR. But I have seen it in other places.
Damian Tysdal: Okay, and did Seven Corners see a big increase in CFAR policy sales over the past month or so, with this situation?
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah, I think, well, you know, the first quarter of the year is generally a very busy time anyway for trip protection plans. The reason is because we, in the travel industry, it’s called wave season and it’s when a lot of cruise lines are offering deals for cruises in the falls and different vacations.
And so that’s a period of the year when we sell a lot of trip protection anyway, add on the fact that at that time, this, what is now a pandemic, which wasn’t a pandemic at the time, was getting some leg showing up in the news. People were wanting to make sure they had extra protection and they were getting all the facts.
So I think our sales team did a good job of explaining to people what the benefits were, and so we did see an uptick in CFAR sales in the first quarter of the year.
Damian Tysdal: Do you see, I mean, going into the future, even after this has passed, do you see changes to the product? Whether it’s changing the terms or their restrictions, I would imagine as it gets more popular, it becomes a little bit tougher to underwrite from a financial standpoint.
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah, I think CFAR, I’d be surprised if it was eliminated completely. I think it’ll be a much more popular option with travelers. I think what this, obviously, what this situation is doing, it’s definitely created more awareness about travel insurance, people may not quite understand what it is or how it works.
But I think it’ll probably still be out there. It remains to be seen whether there’s changes in the benefit, and maybe that’s who knows, maybe it could be how much is being reimbursed or the cost of the benefit or something like that. On the other side of this, it’s just so early.
But I’d be surprised if it was, if it went away completely.
Damian Tysdal: It seems like a product that could be pretty popular going into the future.
Jeremy Murchland: you know, these are insurances protecting risk and in the hope you never need to use it. Right? So, it’s just unfortunate, right now, a lot of people have had to.
Damian Tysdal: So what are the main problems that you are hearing about regarding Coronavirus with Seven Corners clients right now?
Jeremy Murchland: Um, well, I think, I think a couple of the things are, you know, people are just a bit confused about what their options are. Maybe, maybe they have, to your point, they’ve either canceled their trip , uh, without kind of checking in to terms or, or what have you. Or they’re, they’re unsure of whether or not they should cancel them in the future.
And if they do, what, what’s going to happen? Where are they going to be reimbursed for? We spent a lot of time just kind of walking clients through what their benefits are. Again, do they have CFAR? Do they not have CFAR? Do they have just travel medical versus trip protection? So a lot of it’s just confusion in light of what’s going on in the market.
So, we’ve seen a huge increase in kind of call volumes and contact volumes, emails, chats, everything…any way that people can contact us. But we’re also recommending to people that are unsure of what their options are to make sure that they contact their travel provider. Again, whether it’s the cruise line or a tour operator, make sure they understand whether or not refunds are being offered or re-bookings are being offered.
Remember, travel insurance is going to cover only non-refundable trip costs. So a lot of cruise lines, at least in the near term period, have been offering full refund. So the cruise line offers a refund, then your travel insurance doesn’t have anything to reimburse. So, it’s always important to kind of go back to your travel operators or your travel providers to find out what they’re doing.
So a lot of questions and answer right now. Definitely a lot of confusion, but you know, that’s, that’s kind of what we’re here for.
Damian Tysdal: I can see where it’d be confusing because it seems like a situation that insurance is purchased for. But like you say, it’s hard to insure the fear of something.
And, but in this case, even though there are things like State Department warnings and things like that, I know I’ve fielded questions from people that are under the impression that should be a trigger to make it something that’s insurable.
But, when you go back to the policy, it’s really not in there. Do you see companies in the future, insurance companies, trying to add any sort of coverage or language for something like that?
Because it seems like something that could be insurable, much like the naming of a hurricane by NOAA.
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah. You, you know, it definitely could be insurable…how’s the saying go? There’s never a bad risk, there’s just a bad price. I mean, anytime you look to broaden a policy, the benefits, um, the triggers, the things that are covered, that can certainly be done.
And there may even be pressure to do that. And some insurance companies may want to be the first ones to do it, to be able to say, “Hey, we’ve done this”. But that’s always going to come with a cost to the consumer. And those kinds of cost benefits are going to have to be weighed by consumers and by the insurance companies.
You know, maybe it’s a benefit they can add. But it increases cost to the point where now, uh, are we going to be able to sell it? That, that’s really what it boils down to.
Well, you can cover everything, but it’d be too expensive. So you try and cover the things that cover most of the reasons that people need to cancel their trips or the most types of medical emergencies. And so once you start getting into these areas where you say should you now include State Department warnings or should you include World Health Organization warnings or should you now include pandemics if your policy excludes it?
All that can be done, but it just always comes, comes at a price.
Damian Tysdal: Right…it could become a product that nobody wants to buy.
Jeremy Murchland: That’s exactly it, yeah. You price yourself out of the market because again, even as consumers, they’re weighing the risk, is what I’m paying for this insurance worth the risk? And if it gets so expensive because it covers everything, then they potentially don’t buy it.
Damian Tysdal: Right, and that’s how CFAR is kind of a little mini version of that product because it does cover a lot more, but it’s more expensive and it’s not a hundred percent coverage.
Jeremy Murchland: That. That’s right. And so it, you know, it becomes, I always say insurance is math, both on our side as a company that sells it and underwrites it and developed products. It is truly a math equation, a very complicated one, but , math, all the same. And it’s the same thing for the consumers that are buying it.
Every consumer is going to know their own risk tolerance, and make decisions accordingly based on what they’re willing to accept as risk.
Damian Tysdal: So just to summarize the Coronavirus/travel insurance situation…is there any way you can just wrap it up in general for people out there that are either insured or trying to plan something?
Jeremy Murchland: Well, I think the first thing is to put safety first. You know, for me personally, I’m not rushing into anything, but when it’s safe to travel…don’t travel without travel insurance, that’s the first thing. The second piece of that is if you have it or you’re thinking about booking a trip and getting travel insurance, make sure to review the plan document, talk to the insurance company, ask questions, make sure you understand exactly what you’re buying and what is covered…and what is not covered. So that you have a full understanding before you go on your trip or before you book your trip on, on what your benefits are.
Damian Tysdal: That’s great. So just moving a little bit away from Coronavirus , just travel insurance in general. Are there myths about travel insurance? I think we’ve probably chatted about a few of them. But a lot of assumptions or just things that people have in their minds that may or may not be true. Are there some common ones that you can debunk?
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah, I would say, I would say one of the biggest ones that we encounter the most is that many people think that their domestic health insurance is gonna cover them when they leave the U S and it’s simply, it’s simply not true in most cases.
You know, you need to know whether or not you have coverage while you’re abroad and kind of what those limitations are. Reach out to your health insurance company and ask them. Medicare, for example, provides coverage outside the U S only in a few very limited situations, just as is one example.
And it’s also very important to know, should you have an accident, God forbid, make sure you have emergency medical evacuation protection for your trips, because I’ll tell you it is not uncommon, especially when you hit peak travel season, and I always give this example, our business manager at my church, I think it’s been two years now, he went on a trip with his family to the Dominican Republic…was simply in the beach with his kids, got hit by an errant wave, knocked over, um, hit the bottom of the ocean a bit odd and caused an injury to his spine. Next thing you know, he’s in a Dominican hospital that’s demanded payment, he can’t get back to the U S because his family didn’t have enough cash to fly an air ambulance back home. So they had to raise money on GoFundMe…it turned into this big thing because they didn’t have travel insurance. And so, if they had known or understood, they might’ve had it, but a lot of, a lot of consumers just don’t understand that their domestic health insurance doesn’t travel.
Probably the other thing is simply if you’re buying trip cancellation or trip protection insurance, a lot of people say “I got the trip cancellation. I can cancel for any reason, or I can, you know, don’t worry if I don’t want to go, I don’t have to go. I’ve got this trip protection insurance”.
So again, that’s because they are buying on the headlines, but not understanding the details and the benefits. So those are probably the two biggest things.
Damian Tysdal: So on the second, that’s kind of missing that Covered List of Reasons for Cancellation?
Jeremy Murchland: It s. It’s just the…here buy your trip cancellation insurance and people just…they’re just buying on the names…Okay…this is trip cancellation insurance without understanding what they can actually cancel their trip for what it actually insures.
Damian Tysdal: I feel like a big problem of that is on booking sites, and that final screen before you click buy and it’s usually a checkbox. So you’re not really in the insurance buying mindset, you’re booking your cruise and it’s so easy to check that box, but you don’t really know what you’re buying.
Jeremy Murchland: It is, it’s easy not to open those terms and conditions or the travel documents or the policies and, and I get it, I think before I got into this business, I was probably the same…well, I know I was the same way. So it’s just knowing what I know now, and that’s why we spend a lot of time as a company…we’ve invested a lot of time on content. A lot of the things we’re doing are about educating consumers because we believe once people are educated on what travel insurance is and what it does and doesn’t do, the fact is most of them are going to buy it. It’s just in the, in the U S a lot of people don’t understand it.
Damian Tysdal: So when buying insurance, a lot of people, they’re worried about missing details or worried about buying the wrong policy. Are there common mistakes that travelers make in the buying process or in the research process, that you can help give some tips for?
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah, I think again, going back to the medical side of things, many people still don’t buy travel insurance to cover their medical expenses. Our governing body, the USTIA, reported at one time that I think only 6% of American travelers buy travel insurance with medical coverage.
People that do buy travel insurance are often buying kind of limited coverage type plans for trip can, trip interruption, I mentioned that a little bit earlier. So if they get sick or hurt while they’re abroad, they don’t have any medical coverage. And based on a lot of situations I see, that’s one of them, that’s one of the most important things.
Damian Tysdal: And is that more important for international? I mean, would that be the key there versus domestic?
Jeremy Murchland: Definitely, definitely for international travel, yeah. Domestically, if you have domestic health insurance you’re generally going to be okay. But, for international trips, cruises, make sure you have that travel medical coverage, either as part of your trip protection plan or as a standalone travel medical plan.
Damian Tysdal: Great. So just to wrap up, but I’d love to finish with a couple of quick tips…the key takeaways for people that are, that are interested in something like this to protect a trip. Do you have any, very simple buying tips for travelers? What are the key things to remember?
Jeremy Murchland: Well, a couple things. Like I’ve said over and over here, make sure that you’re buying something with travel medical insurance, that you have that medical evacuation coverage.
Buy your travel insurance plan immediately after you book your first trip deposit. That makes sure you get access, or you’re applicable for any of those optional benefits, um, and or any other additional benefits like pre existing coverage…and again, I can’t emphasize enough that medical protection is important. So whatever you’re booking in terms of travel insurance, have that medical protection.
Damian Tysdal: That’s great. So, and just to clarify on the second one, you said buying early, what is early, how would you define that?
Jeremy Murchland: Well, early is as soon as you make your first trip deposit, buy your travel insurance. There are certain conditions, especially in your trip protection plans, that are tied to making sure that you buy your travel insurance within a certain period of time of your trip deposits.
So rather than setting an alarm and beating around the bush, just buy it, buy it right away, and that makes sure you can do things like add CFAR on there, or there’s oftentimes conditions or benefits, like coverage for preexisting conditions if you’re traveling abroad. So yeah, make sure you’re just booking at the same time as your, as your trip.
Damian Tysdal: I see. If you wait, you can miss out on some of those?
Jeremy Murchland: Absolutely. That’s, that’s the short way of putting it. Yeah.
Damian Tysdal: Okay. That’s great. And so just outside of the insurance world, do you have any top tip, best tip to remove travel worries for the listeners?
Jeremy Murchland: Probably the two biggest ones are right now, I mean, the first one is any time, and certainly right now for the second, but the first is make sure you have copies of your travel documents with you. We hear stories all the time of people losing their passports or you know, visas or what have you.
So make sure you get a copy of your travel documents on your phone. And I would also always have a copy, leave a copy with a family member or a trusted friend. That way if something happens to your phone, you can access those. If you can access your travel documents and you have to go to an embassy to get a new passport, it makes life a lot easier for you. So that’s an important one.
The other thing is a go to travel.state.gov, it’s the US Departments of State Smart Traveler Enrollment Program. You get the latest safety and security information for your destination, any travel warnings, and also signing up gives the embassy or consulate a way to contact you in case of emergency.
So that’s really just, it’s a great safety measure. It’s easy to do, takes a few minutes. So, definitely do that and make sure you got copies of your travel documents.
Damian Tysdal: That’s fantastic. Thanks for speaking with us today. It’s been very helpful.
Jeremy Murchland: Yeah. Thanks for having me on Damian, anytime. I appreciate it.